Philosophy for Life
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Philosophy for Life
Chantz Staden's Journey to Financial Freedom and Spiritual Growth
Chantz’s story is a raw exploration of overcoming generational trauma and the long-lasting impacts of early exposure to violence and sexual content. He bravely discusses how these experiences influenced his relationships and personal growth, and the critical steps he took to foster healthier dynamics. We delve into the cultural and spiritual landscape of East Palo Alto, offering a glimpse into how growing up in a violence-ridden area shaped his mindset and life choices. Chantz’s reflection on his move to Tennessee during the COVID-19 pandemic, including strategic financial decisions and embracing community values, offers a comprehensive look at his transformative journey.
In this episode, we also explore Chantz's entrepreneurial spirit that led him from medical staffing to founding Agile Tech Recruiting Services. He shares valuable insights on financial literacy, real estate investments, and the mindset shifts necessary for long-term success. He emphasizes the importance of owning income-generating assets and leveraging digital platforms for financial stability. Chantz’s journey is a testament to the power of faith, community, and resilience, offering listeners a wealth of knowledge on personal and financial growth, spiritual development, and building a fulfilling future. Join us for an episode packed with inspiration, strategic insights, and heartfelt revelations.
Hey, what's up guys? This is Deron Brown, your host of the podcast Philosophy for Life. I have a pretty cool guest with me today. This is my former teammate. We both played at DeAnza College in Cupertino, California. He went on to play for the University of Washington State as a running back. He was killing shit at DeAnza and he was killing shit at Washington State. You have to see his highlights. Since then, he's evolved in many different ways as a person. He's also went on to start his own business. He's an entrepreneur. He's the founder of Agile Tech Recruiting Services. Sorry about that, Agile Tech Recruiting Services. We're going to really just have a cool casual conversation, talk about life and get reacquainted. Chance man, give yourself a short introduction.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that was quite the introduction. I haven't been introduced like that in, I don't think ever. So thanks for that man. Yeah, chance Staden, born and raised in San Jose, california, which is, you know, there in Cupertino, you know, yeah, and now here in Tennessee, in the deep country, and I mean, you know, going from the big city, right, two kids in the city, now we're out in the country, I got four kids and, you know, living on three acres, got two neighbors, everyone's got cows and horses.
Speaker 2:So I'm living a completely different life than what you know I might've thought I intended for when I first set out on this journey. But yeah, man, it's been last couple of years I've been kind of really laying low, and what I mean by saying that is like, haven't I've gone within inside to figure out who I am, what I am and what? What am I actually doing here? Right, because I always felt that I'm here, you're here, we're all here for something much greater than just working a nine to five, you know, building little honey nests for, hopefully, to pass on to our children, and then boom, you know, bada, boom, you know, that's it. I'm like there was just more. And you know what really set me up and usually when this happens is there's some, you know, life experiences that really make you kind of make some drastic changes, and my first one was having a kid Right. That first year flew by. I was in the office eight hours. My wife was in the office eight hours.
Speaker 1:Um, well, when did you, when did you have your first kid? Cause you said two kids in California. How long ago did you have your first kid and where were you located?
Speaker 2:Yeah, first one came in 2018, peyton. She's five years old, um, or she's turning six, uh, this, uh, june, june 26th, so we had and then two years, we had our second, our son Emmett. He's three, he'll be turning four in July and we had him during COVID year. So a crazy story about that. My wife, we had our first child in the hospital. It was pretty traumatic experience, right. Just, she lost, she hemorrhaged. So if you're not familiar, durant, do you have kids? I have one. I have a daughter. Oh, how old is?
Speaker 1:she, she's right, just she lost. She hemorrhaged, so we're not familiar. Do you have kids?
Speaker 2:I have one I have a daughter.
Speaker 1:She just turned two.
Speaker 2:Oh man, so yeah, you, you know exactly. So yeah, times that by four, and that's what I'm dealing with. I got a five-year-old and a one. You know, five-year-old, three-year-old. Getting married was a big time, of course, but nothing really changed. But we had our daughter. We had her in the hospital. It was not a great experience. We had our son at home and our last three babies we've had here, the last two we've had in this room this is our master bedroom and so like, and I do. When she brought that idea to me, like I was like it was so taboo. I only thought of all the negative stories and stuff, but I knew that she really wanted it and if she was going to do it she needed my 110 percent support, even though I was like kind of scared.
Speaker 1:Right, oh, you know. One thing I want to point out is that when you also when a woman first has her, when a woman has her first child, you know you want to do everything the right way. So you're going to be going to those birthing classes, you're going to be taking advice from the best people, and a lot of them. They try to convince women to get a C-section.
Speaker 2:They try to tell them why it's so safe and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:It's a business, it's all money and they try to scare the mothers into doing it.
Speaker 2:They scare them more times than not they get. They get moms so scared that they schedule their C-sections they won't even try. Yeah, they won't even try. So, yeah and dude, we, we really didn't come up into that kind of energy. We didn't feel that until after our first one. But prior to that my wife got pregnant and she just got this overwhelming feeling to like not vaccinate herself while she was pregnant and also not vaccinate her kids. And I was vaccinated as a kid, right, never really thought anything of it, but as an adult I never touched the hospitals, right, I never got, you know, I just never messed with them, just never felt the need to, right and um, but she was getting her HPV. Remember those, member, in the fricking early twenties in the Bay area?
Speaker 2:HPV, you know, go get you know and like so yeah, she was on that tip as well, give her a shot. She actually, when we got together, she made me like, try to go give blood to the hospital. And I went ahead and did it, cause she put me on her insurance, cause I was, I didn't have insurance, I'm not going to the hospital. I paid the hundred dollar Obamacare penalty a year, I don't care. But she made me to go in there to get blood and I think I end up not even going and I'll tell her I'll go back and reschedule. I never did.
Speaker 2:But she eventually got pregnant and then she came to it to where, like, these vaccines are out of control. You know, this is God's creation. What makes you think that your man-made whatever you got going in there in that, in that lab, is going to, you know, is God's got everything going on right here, right, we don't need no extra anything, no extra protection, no, no, nothing. So, um, and then she brought that to my attention and it just made sense to me and I was like, yeah, like you know, and my son's not circumcised? I was circumcised.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? That's like.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at that like what.
Speaker 1:I heard the sex is five times better when you're not circumcised no-transcript was so taboo, like even my mom, kind of bucks which is like oh you need to here this is God's creation again, so it's like.
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, it was just a lot of things popped off once the kids started getting involved.
Speaker 1:Right, well, tell me about your first child. Tell me about how you felt when you found out your wife was pregnant.
Speaker 2:Well, man, I was like I was in a different space during that time. Right I was, I was working, I was, like you know, lifestyle was work, golf. Every time I could drink with the boys, every time I could gamble as much as I could. It just wasn't really fulfilling in that way, got pregnant with my daughter and it ignited me to start my own business and work for myself and become my own man to provide for my family.
Speaker 2:She's kickstarted that, but I really didn't get out of that kind of phase until after COVID, really. So when she got pregnant, like my wife was, you know, she partied with me too. That's where we had our fun, right. So she had a quick, cold turkey where I was still, you know, on the side. On the weekend I'm not, you know, I'm not hanging out with the boys or whatever. I'm out there until 2 am, 3 am, and so there was some rough time there, you know as being a new mom, pregnant, emotional, and I was so immature that I wasn't putting her feelings first, it was all about me, the ego was in it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, man, it was the early years there were some issues there and that stemmed from.
Speaker 2:So yeah, man, it was the early years, there were some issues there and that stemmed from my parents. Man, my dad divorced, you know. They divorced when I was 18. My dad, you know, cheated on my mom, and so I had that in my head.
Speaker 1:When you were 18, your parents divorced. I was 18. I was 18. 18. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:So they were married 18 years all the way up until, and then divorced. So I was at that point as a kid like, oh, my parents will stay together forever, you know what I mean. And so it hit. It hit different, right. Obviously it's going to hit a lot more emotional, a lot more traumatic as a child that you don't really uncover. I get it, I get it. No excuse still for me, but I get it Right, I get it. But I had that kind of demon that was kind of lurking on me, man.
Speaker 1:And let's talk about the demon.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about the demon because you know where we come from, the Bay Area me. I grew up in East Palo Alto. You know shootings, killings is something that's normal. Yeah, we didn't mess with EPA man?
Speaker 1:Huh, we didn't mess with EPA man. We didn't mess with EPA dude. Yeah, it was no joke Back in the 90s. So you know, at that time I wasn't aware of it. But you know, people had evil spirits in East Palo Alto. I wasn't aware of it growing up. You know, I remember when I went to, I came to Utah and people said that I came off a certain way. But it wasn't until I went to Utah state for a number of years and then went back home and I could feel the vibe of the environment. You know what I'm saying. And when you, once you detach and you step back into it, you can kind of feel how you can see how you were hurting yourself and keep yourself down. Like what type of what was your spirit like when you were before your daughter was born? Well before your daughter, your wife was pregnant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, so grew up in Bay Area, like I was telling my wife the other day because I've been doing a lot of internal work like really digging deep. Well, it's like like early as back as I can remember and let me just, let me just tell you I was about I don't know three, four or five years old, watching like porn on the, on the ab channels, on um, on the cable box. I don't know if you remember the cable box it was. It was cable box a and cable box b. There's two sections and each had like about 20 channels. Cable box a, cable box a had had the, had the like you know, played away, you know whatever, like soft core porn stuff yeah, one channel.
Speaker 2:Once I was 31 and 32, I remember, like it's fucking yesterday, man, it was like, like, and I was, I was. I was five years old when we moved from that house. So like I was dude, that demon that was on me was was that sexual like, you know, just trying to get it, and I, and that's my, my, my father and even my even I've seen it in my mom as well. So it stems generationally and I'm sure it's in my grandparents to a degree, but that's let's talk about that a little bit, because I grew up I didn't have cable TV.
Speaker 1:Growing up I had like the 1960s TV with like the Antenna, the hanger that you plug in as the antenna. So I really didn't see porn until like my mid-20s. But, um, I do want to talk about how you mentioned sex. Like you were basically like a predator, you saw sex in more of a predatory way, way and um, I can resonate with that to a degree because um, I wouldn't say predator.
Speaker 2:Predator I'd say an animal, though animals you know it's like, it's like yeah, so you know not, but again, same, same kind of difference. But I would say more, it was an animal kind of energy right yeah, yeah, anyway, go on there's a difference.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, more animalistic when it came to sex. It was like you see something that you wanted and you just. So yeah, more animalistic when it came to sex.
Speaker 1:It was like you see something that you want it and you just you wanted it. You know it was like a piece of meat and it wasn't. At first I wasn't conscious of it. But the women that you deal with when you're in that mindset, they're also in a more animalistic state. No-transcript, not everybody's on that same level. As far as like awakening you know what I'm saying Like it's a people would use me for sex and I was just kind of like I remember just being like oh, you know, I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm trying to find a connection, I'm trying to build something with somebody. I'm not trying to play these games. But then I, because I was going through that transformation, I became aware that there was a lot of not just men, but there's a lot of women who are also use sex as a weapon or you know, and more of an animal way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, yeah, I mean it's, it's. It's pretty crazy because sex I've always heard sex sells, right, so you mentioned you get introduced to porn in your 20s. Like I had a computer, laptop, like 13 years old, with the Internet, right, like that's how it was pushed on me. My music was Nelly internet, right, like that's how, dude, it was pushed on me. My music was nelly. Uh, you know my parents were were, you know bumping hot juvenile. You know great, look good back that ass up like this is how I was raised.
Speaker 2:Right, we're out there having a good time, no doubt, but that's an energy they're on and like yeah, now I have my own children, like I'm very conscious of the music. I'm very conscious, bro. Like I mean, I remember I was 9, 10 years old. I went to go see the fucking movie Don't Be a Menace while drinking the juice under the hood, the spoof of the Williams Brothers, they had that girl in there, the whole thing was two people bucking Credit to my mom.
Speaker 2:She didn't take me, but her best friend did, but that was all the birds of a feather flocked together. So that was where I was kind of raised up in man and, um, even when I are you, are you married with? Uh, I'm not married, I'm not married.
Speaker 2:I'm not married Are you guys still together or no? We're separated, okay Okay. So when I met my wife, like I was not ready, like we had some rough patches, but I was not going to go out like my, like, like my dad Right, like, straight up. There's always a positive to every situation.
Speaker 2:How crazy that sounds. It just is. And I'm actually I got, I did my numerology reading a week ago. One of my, one of my gifts is being able to turn a negative into a positive. So the positive for my dad she, let me know like, ok, I don't want to inflict this Right. We kind of do that, naturally, we take from our parents what we liked and didn't like and then we kind of form our best self Right as a parent, as a husband, whatever it is. So that was my motivation. So and but, dude, it really didn't change for me till we got out of the city, like you said, and I was able to, kind of, you know, let my mind calm down and figure out who I was.
Speaker 1:You have to change your environment. I had a cousin reach out. I still have family members and friends. I grew up with an EPA and my cousin of mine reached out to me. He's like man, I love your life, this and that.
Speaker 1:And I went to go visit my family and then was kicking in my cousin's room younger cousin, he's like in his early 20s. He's like oh, man, I want to show you something. So then he starts pulling out an ak-47, pulls out a few other weapons. I'm like man, you know you're not living it. Because he was living in hayward at the time, I was like bro, you don't, you're not living in the town. No more, you don't, you don't have to do this. You know, saying you don't have to hang out with those people, no more.
Speaker 1:But in in his mind he was trapped. He still felt like he was there and he had to do something. I'm like man, if you really want to get out of your environment, coming out here to Utah to stay with me and having no plan is not going to do anything for you because I have my own responsibilities, I can't take care of you, my family and the other things I'm doing. I was like if you really want to get out, you can enroll in school and then just transfer to a completely different state where you can just be alone and get isolated. If you're really working, I'll help you, but I can't take care of you. You're just sitting here.
Speaker 2:They have to want it. Another one of my downfalls is trying to help everyone Right, and I come to the realization that I can't help everyone, because they need to be able to want to help themselves first, right, and so people got to want it. You got, they got to want change. I. I want to change man, like I. I demanded it. I remember writing in my journal, like two years ago, when I first realized that my words and my thoughts were like powerful, right. I remember writing down in my journal because they're like ask God for what you want. I wrote down I want to know the truth, I want to know the truth and I feel like this last two years has been my truth journey and I'm finally, like I was mentioning today earlier, like today is the day that.
Speaker 2:I'm standing in, like this new space of just knowing that, like dude, this, this universe is an interactive playground, right, and we are creators Bottom line, and if you're not going to tell your story or be your story, then no one else will. So you've got to speak your truth. You've got to speak your truth. So yeah, man, that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at now in a nutshell.
Speaker 1:So yeah, man, that's kind of that's kind of where I'm at now in a nutshell, but that's why I got this owl. That's why I had this owl as a logo, because it represents wisdom. Yeah, no, I'll see it for sure, and also Toth the Egyptian god Toth, he had like the bird, as like his symbol, symbol of wisdom, but but anyways, yeah. Well, how did you end up in Tennessee?
Speaker 2:Like tell me how that happened so real quick backstory. So when, when COVID hit, um, I didn't pay attention to the news. I never had, never really. I never voted for a president. That should never really had my attention when COVID hit.
Speaker 2:I started paying attention and I got to the point where I was driving down to the damn state Capitol in Sacramento, honking at the fucking capitol in a line of cards saying open the state up. That's how far I got. I drove out to fucking Livermore to the open gun shop. The only one that was close, bought a gun, waited in line outside with a bunch of other randos doing the same. No guns available. I come out there with a Clint Eastwood fucking .357 big ass revolver. I've still never shot. It's in the.
Speaker 2:It's in the same yeah this was where I was at during covid right and um and so. So you know, through that journey, like I've, I've come complete circle, um, but uh, and what was your original question?
Speaker 1:I kind of got off track there I was wondering how, like what, what things happened that led you to get to Tennessee?
Speaker 2:oh, tennessee, that's right, so, anyway. So I was on that tip, so I was looking for red states, because we thought that red states were going to be because Democrats were trying to do some crazy shit. Right, fucking, uh, uh, drag queen, fucking reading. It's crazy how. It's crazy how, kelly, I'm in Utah.
Speaker 1:So it's crazy how Kelly I'm in Utah, so it's crazy how Kelly has changed in the reputation that Kelly has now, because growing up Kelly was fun man, but now it's some weirdo shit going on back home. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that shit started popping off. We're like what the fuck is going on. It was La La Land man. People were masked up, trying to mask my babies, and like what's a smile do? A smile spreads love, positivity, joy. You're trying to cover that up and then stand six feet away from it Like, oh, this is, this is some spooky shit. So I got real dramatic Right. I was in like a spiritual warfare which I chose God right away. But to get to Tennessee, man, we wanted to go to Idaho, stay close to California, we have family there that we looked at Austin because we had family there, but like they didn't feel right. Idaho was like hella, cold and kind of boring and Boise. Austin was like felt like San Francisco just growing, growing, growing and so, and then I got on Facebook group. I was like, hey, what's a good state for an interracial couple freaking a red state.
Speaker 2:Like you know, four kids want to homeschool, work from home, and people were saying Tennessee, tennessee. I ain't never been to Tennessee. Only thing I hear about Tennessee is, you know, black folks getting hung dude, like I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's the South. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:So I come out here, I visit. I have one buddy from high school. He'd been out here eight years. I came and visit him for a weekend. I call my wife back. She's pregnant with our third surprise. Like we were not planning it, we were living like in her parents' guest home. So I call her. I said I can't explain to you why, but this is where you want to be. People were friendly, it's beautiful here. There's the, there's land. I got 60 acres, right, I got 60 acres that we're going to, you know, build our dream home on and build an asset, you know, on that somehow renting or whatever. But I live on three acres. It's beautiful here, I just. And so we have a great community. Now kids are homeschooled and they have like this kind of co-op program. But yeah, man, that's kind of what led us here. It was all on faith, all on faith, but it it's, it's um, it's worked out for us, right, um, but uh, but yeah, that's how we got here.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool, man, because I just recently bought my house last year, right, nice, and I was saving up to pay off my student loan for years, years, right, so that's why I had the money. And then I joined this program for future millionaires right, you had to pay a good piece of money to get in. So I paid to get in, just so I can, you know, be around people who were, who knew how to make money. And the guy in the program was like I said hey, you know, should I use this money to pay off my student loan or should I buy a house? He's like buy the house. And I was like, what you have to pay a student loan? He's like you do, but you want to buy that house.
Speaker 1:And I can't remember everything he said around it, but he was serious, he was dead serious Buy the house, get the as the property value grows, you know, so you can use that money to help you pay it off. But so then, because of that, he had me thinking. So I was looking at real estate around the country, honestly, and if it wasn't for my kid, I would have moved out of Utah, would have moved out of Utah, but Tennessee was like the number one growing state. Even Dave Ramsey I'm not sure if you're familiar with him. He's in Tennessee and he was saying that property value in Tennessee is becoming a lot more.
Speaker 2:More people are moving to Tennessee because it's Well, let me say this We've moved here. We didn't know anybody. We have a group of community. Half of them are from California, another half are from Boston. East Coast People migrated here. We're all on the same frequency, same level. We all have families, so we're really motivated. It's still growing. My wife just ran into a mom from SoCal at the park. We actually are an hour south Ramsey. He's in Franklin, franklin's money. It's like the Los Gatos of the Bay Area we missed the boat on Ramsey.
Speaker 2:He's like in Franklin, franklin's money. It's like the Los Gatos of the Bay Area, right. So we missed the boat on that one because those houses were like $700 million plus. So we're an hour south of Nashville in a country town called Shelbyville, 25,000 population, my home's three acres, four bed, three bath. I paid $425,000 for it and mortgage is 1,500. My mortgage back in California was 4,500. On 15,000.
Speaker 1:What did you move out there? What was the interest rate when you moved out there? Do you know?
Speaker 2:To Tennessee. It was less than four, four and a half or something.
Speaker 1:Oh man you got a nice rate man.
Speaker 2:What was yours at when you bought?
Speaker 1:mine was at six.
Speaker 2:I bought last year, so you had to buy like a few years before me yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, it was 2021 when we bought and then yeah, so or 20, yeah, 2021, and we so. So listen this, this is how we got into the real estate and, dude, I got we gotta talk about real estate because I just came on some information that buying a house is, like, not the route you want to take.
Speaker 1:Um not today now it's so expensive.
Speaker 2:Well, you want to. You want to. You want your money to make more money, you want to build assets, so you want to. You know, really invest in, like real estate properties, whatever, something that just generates cash. But we'll get into that. But how I got into, how we got into the cause? You know, silicon Valley is expensive.
Speaker 2:So all my boys out there still apartments living with their parents or waiting for their parents to die to get their parents home, like it's hard to get your foot in there unless you're making bread. So me and my wife were both working. We got up to like a combined 300 K total. Combined right, like I made 230 K. In my best year she was at like 130. So we, we we basically went from an apartment to a condo, to a home and we bought at 900, which was super high, but COVID hit and I sold it to a tech guy for like 950. So we made a little profit and then we took that and, like you know, we didn't want a big mortgage because my business was just starting up, so we didn't want to get stuck like that. Yeah, so we ended up out here and then we were able to. I was able to have my wife quit her job, focus on the kids, and and then that's when, like my entrepreneurship journey, just like that.
Speaker 1:That's so. That's so crazy because you're telling me, when you had your daughter a little bit right before COVID, it seemed like you were just street dude trying to figure it out, you know, having a regular job, not really having a purpose, but just kind of lost. And now, in a matter of just like four years, your life completely changed. You're a homeowner, you got your own business, your wife's a stay at home wife. Things are just. You're on that vibe. You feel me it's just like it's coming together.
Speaker 2:Dude, I get told all the time like, dude, we want to move out to the country. How is it? We want to do this, we want to do that and, like I said, dude, you got to have, you got to have like cojones to do that, and I was, we made the decision based off faith. Just because we were pulled in this way, man, that's what I was saying. There's a higher power involved here. This was not a strategic plan, this was going off of gut instinct. But, yeah, I'll just tell my wife the other day, dude, we're blessed, we are blessed, we are living the dream.
Speaker 2:We need to enjoy this time now because we want, want, want. We want to get to the next phase. I want to build this asset, help this group of people. But I got to remember, the state president enjoyed this time because this is not going to last forever and the reason why I'm working from home she's not working is to enjoy our time with these kids, because, I mean, they're God's kids as far as I'm concerned and they're our teachers, they're my teachers. Man, I know, you know, these kids are walking triggers, man, and so each one is like another level of like. You know, you level up, like OK, you pass this level now.
Speaker 1:You have to win. You have your kids. You have to win. It's like I have to. I have to make this happen. Like this house is a beautiful house, but I think, like this is going to be my kid's house someday, absolutely Paid off, and she ain't got to worry about nothing. That's what I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely Paid off and she ain't got to worry about nothing. That's what I think. Yeah, it all changes, man. It all changes. And, like you said, I was just fucking pissing in the wind, just bullshitting, really trying to figure out who I was, but I didn't really care at that time. I didn't start caring until I had my son and I realized that these kids are sponges. So I'm walking around the house drinking a beer Well, where'd I get that from? I don't even like beer. Where'd I get that from? My dad was drinking MGD at the house watching the game. This is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:And now I'm like that's not good use of my energy, that's not good use of my time. I'm sitting here cheering for a team and I'm like, oh, we won, or yeah, I won 50 bucks on this game, like that's the, that's, that's what you're going to give your God energy to. And so it made me switch, like, if he's going to be a sponge, I want him to pick up all of my good characters, my good habits, right? And so it's really made me look internally and figure out who the fuck I want to be, right, what kind of man do I want to be? And it's mostly for him, so he can have a good representation. Man, you got a daughter, so I got three. That's a different thing. It's a whole different story.
Speaker 1:Three of them, man, enjoy while they're babies. I heard when they become teens.
Speaker 2:It's like a whole.
Speaker 2:My five-year-old's like dude, she's already on the 13 teenager vibe, she's a mimic of my wife and it's just, yeah, it's a trip, man, and it's work. It's really. It's spiritual work, man, because, like you start to realize, man, I can't be this upset all the time at my children. Like you have to learn to like let it go, they're going to be okay. They're going to be OK, they're going to fight, everything's good. Like they're going to use too much milk with their cereal, they're going to spill. But this shit adds up over you know a long time, you know over one day, and so it's really made me like, just like I said, take some internal time to think and diagnose how to control my emotions Right and just stay in that middle balance way. I think that's that Lao. What is it? Lao Tzu, teaching Lao Tzu or Lao Tau?
Speaker 1:I know who you're talking about. Yeah, one of those Eastern, it's the middle way right Balance. How did you get your wife? How did you convince your wife to move to Tennessee? Yeah, and how did you make up?
Speaker 2:So dude, so man, all these decisions were kind of kind of from her side. Right, she had the intuition, she had the kind of the vision, like she seemed big picture, and every time she brought a subject over to me it was sounded crazy, right, but like I'd listen to it, I'd have an open mind. I'm like, yeah, sure, I always, always, always believe that mama knows best, right. So, and that mother intuition, oh, you don't want to go against that, right, that's. You know, when she's pregnant she's got direct, you know, power, you know inside of her she's creating life, right, like that's the most, that's a special time. So so, yeah, she, she, it was her idea, she was kind of the brains and I, like, you know, take the masculine energy and go and make shit happen. And so I flew to Tennessee, did stuff like that, started my own business, these things, but yeah, she was the brains behind the operation.
Speaker 2:But now we're kind of switching roles, right, and that's one thing about marriage. Man is like it's seasonal and it's up and down, right, sometimes she leads, sometimes I lead, and we have to know when it's. Okay, this is my strength, right, Let me take care of the finances money. It doesn't stress me out as much as it does you. Let me take this over, or let her take over teaching our kids. She has more patience with them as she's teaching right. So it's like it's give and take, man, but it's work, man, and it doesn't, doesn't ever stop.
Speaker 1:Right. How did the conversation look, though, when you say you know what we moved to Tennessee did she? Did she push back or what she?
Speaker 2:trusted man. I I I mentioned earlier. I called her from Tennessee. I'm driving through, I'm looking at properties. I'm like, oh, you want to. You want to move here, this is where you want to be. I can't explain it. And she, three, four months later, that was her first time ever coming here. She trusted me, just like I've been trusting her that entire time. Like I said, it's give and take. She trusted me and my decision. It's worked out. She took a chance man.
Speaker 1:That's the bottom line.
Speaker 2:She seemed like she a writer.
Speaker 1:She's dated a few different chances since now. I'm wondering how did you, how did you meet her, like where did you guys?
Speaker 2:meet up. Yeah, we met through friends. Um, you know what, we had mutual friends that were dating, and then she had just broken up with her, her boyfriend, um, my buddy, I was in the gym gold's gym in there in campbell, california, um, after work, and he's in there and he shows me a picture of her. I was like, oh yeah, set that up, set that up. So we we met at a club downtown san jose and we met in that party life, right at the bar, right, but we kind of we had some mutual friends to kind of approve of each other beforehand, right, we had some references, basically, um, but yeah, that's how we met.
Speaker 2:And and, dude, I seen what happened to my parents. So, like, when I started falling in love with her, um, well, like, after I, after I figured out that I was in love with her, I was like, oh, I'm not, I'm not going down this route. Divorce is a 50 50. Like it's either her or me. I'm not doing this. So I get straight up. I broke up with her. I told her I was like I'm never gonna love you because I would. I wasn't letting, I wasn't allowing myself to. I't, I didn't want to hurt her, I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 2:And 30 days later she watched the Secret and shoot. I'm texting her back. She manifested me. She said she watched the Secret and she was thinking about me for 30 days and there I was. So she's had that strong manifestation power for quite some time. But we got back together and I made that decision then. If it's going to work, I have to go all in. So I stopped. You know double dipping and you know texting this girl and having this alter. You know alter alternative. You know motive and I went all in and that's the only way anything works. Right, but that's what I did. But yeah, man.
Speaker 1:How did you? What made her unique from the other women that she was dealing with?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a couple of things. And, and the first thing that really popped off, and this is kind of it's, it's it's really shallow, shallow looking back at it, but as a young, as a young man, young male, out there in the streets with these other guys, like you want to make sure you've got one, that no one else had been Right and so no one in my circle had been with her. Like that was the first check, right, because San Jose gets small after a while. Right, and we're, you know, 24, 25 at this time. So it was, it was slim pickings and so that was one thing. So that meant, like you know, she she wasn't out there, like the rest of them were Right, so that was one and she was, she was an athlete bro, and I was an athlete.
Speaker 2:Right, she was in the gym, she was a cheerleader, she was fit, still is. She's four kids and, fucking, she's got a six pack and she don't even work out. She just, she's just, she's just gifted. She's super strict too on her, on her diet and her food. But yeah, man, she and she was, you know, beautiful, you know rock star in the, in the, in star in the sheets. Man, I'm not going to lie and just did it all for me right, and still does. And so, yeah, that's what had me in the beginning and we had fun. We had fun. It was fun. We camped, we did lakes, we did Vegas. We went to Spain four months ago for our best friend's wedding with our one-year-old daughter. That was fun. We partied, man, we had a good time. That's what separated her from the others.
Speaker 1:That's what's up. I got lost. I was about to ask you another question about your wife, because it was good. I got lost when you said the Spain thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Goodness, I can't even remember, man, it'll come to me.
Speaker 2:I was talking about partying in Vegas and stuff. I was showing an example of how later on in life we still have fun, right. But it's a little bit different when I'm in vegas doing bottle service, right, we're in, fucking it had to do with.
Speaker 1:Well, it was associated with the fun that you guys did, like the things you do. But I can't think of the exact question I was gonna ask. But let's pivot for right now and I'll come back to it. I want to know a little bit more about your tech company, like why did you get into tech?
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, money, man, money, right, like I was chasing money this entire time, and I actually started in the medical staffing field, first recruiting nurses and stuff for hospitals, and I was in San Jose and I knew that the money was in tech. These companies, tech companies are making millions of dollars, right. And so so I wanted to get into tech, and the company that I, that I, that I transitioned to, was a small firm and they were actually in my same complex. I met the owner at a coffee shop and he made me an offer. I went and joined him and, and that's how I got into tech and so, and the money's been good, that's how I got into tech and so, and then the money's been good.
Speaker 2:And so here I am, you know, I'm like 10 years, 10 plus years of working as a tech recruiter or in the tech recruiting space, and I've kind of niched down Right. I've learned some basic, basic business principles that kind of apply across sectors, right, these, these principles, which means no matter how you apply them, in what arena, they're true or they're to be true. So I've had to specialize, right. Niche down is what they call it in business. So I focus on embedded software development and for those in your software you know, so the embedded software developer community, that that area, that's where I focus, because I always felt like that's the most important part of the technical stack, right? It's like where it either works or it doesn't, right? The hardware and software come together and that embedded developer comes in and ties that shit in with code and whatever it needs, and then you add firmware on there and the kernel. So that's where I'm at now. But yeah, that's how I got into tech. I was, I was chasing that money and now I just sell to sell to corporations and big businesses.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that's lovely. Some of the corporation big businesses, because they need, they have money to blow.
Speaker 2:So that's not theirs, which is which is which is important, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to ask you what gave you the confidence to start your own business.
Speaker 2:Man, you know I've always drawn, so we played sports man. So it was like when I, when I started playing football at nine years old, like I kind of immediately was already having dreams of the NFL Right, that's the reason why I play, I want to make millions of dollars it was still for chasing that money. I want to make millions of dollars to buy my mom a home and my dad a home and like be set Right, and so that was like my drive then. And when football didn't work out right, torme ACL didn't have a great college career at Washington State. You know I wasn't the fastest, strongest and it just, you know, it didn't work out. I lost that drive and I just went kind of into fucking, like you mentioned, like not really having any direction, and then I started my own business just based off you know that that that kind of beast mentality Right Went back to that Like dude, I'm going to go D1. I'm going to go start my own business. I'm going to fucking make it.
Speaker 1:I don't know how I'm going to figure this shit out.
Speaker 2:I figured it out. I figured it out and so I did. But that was the mentality behind it, right? And then again my daughter really motivated me then. But yeah, that was the mental mindset, that's what, that's what the confidence stood from. And even then they're on like it's been four years and dude it's. It's been quite the spiritual journey. Nothing like I've ever experienced before, nothing that I ever thought it would be Right, like I've ever experienced before, nothing that I ever thought it would be right. Like I thought.
Speaker 2:I went into this really unprepared, unprepared, and I've learned a lot, but yeah, it's, it's been amazing. I wouldn't train, I wouldn't trade anything for it, right. All the decisions I've made, whether good or bad, I made some bad decisions. I've learned from it, man, and I'm still here. So, like, let's keep going. I'm still building Like it's in business, here's, here's, here's the make it or break it for business.
Speaker 2:There's a time where you have a job and you're getting a paycheck and that's what you rely on when you decide to go start your own business. You then you then basically are working for yourself, but now you have multiple bosses. Okay, that's what I was doing for three and a half four years and everything was running through me. I was the recruiting, the marketing, the business development, the sourcing. I was all of this. I was the whole entire process, all operated here. So, as I continue, and it wasn't working right. I'd had some good months but it wasn't consistent. So then I paid for some groups as well. I paid 15,000 to work with this group out of Europe. I paid for some groups as well. I paid 15,000 to work with this group out of Europe, high end consulting group for tech recruiting. And they put me on the game.
Speaker 2:Right, you have to delegate. You have to take what's in here, build a system and hire somebody to operate that and do that, everything that that's operational in your head, that will free you up to like, explore and do more. So I've done that, I've built a system, but during that time, daron, you don't make money because you're not. You're not doing the things that make money, you're doing the things that are going to like consistently, bring in lead generation right and be building these processes. And that's where people like won't do it. They won't take a pay cut for three or six months to build a system. Bezos did it for 10 years, every year losing, losing money, because he understood the longer you can wait, the more systems you can build, the bigger the payoff. So yeah, man.
Speaker 1:That's a bar. That's a bar because I'm glad you said that because I have my own projects that I work on that's bringing me in more money. But I have a pretty decent idea. I have a mentor that's helped me out with it and I can be making a good, decent amount of money. And I was just thinking to myself what would I do with this money? And I think I should create systems. I think that's what I should do? I should systematize the business.
Speaker 2:Deron. So, dude, I was on the. So here's my big mistake and I, I, like dude, I'm going to get this information out. There's going to be a book, there's going to be a YouTube channel. I'm going to share this info because it could help a lot of people as they get started into entrepreneurship. But, um, uh, you, once you become a business owner and entrepreneur, you have to think differently. So, like dude, I think I've been making my bill, my bill payments for my credit cards and my mortgages and all these things that I think are important, because I don't want to get my house evicted. Bro, your money is supposed to make more money, so do that first and then you'll have enough money to take care of all of those things. But none of those things are going to benefit you. So, putting those money into those things, like you're just going to keep throwing cash away and you're going to keep.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about that now, cause let's transition, because you had said something about real estate early on in this show and now I think this is a good segue. So why isn't real estate a good investment?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what? Okay, so this is, and I got this from what's his name? Robert kiyosaki, or he's. He's rich dad, poor dad right oh, you're familiar with him. You had one of his.
Speaker 1:Uh, this is his co-worker yes, the person he wrote the book. I listened to that one, yeah dude, that she was awesome.
Speaker 2:she was awesome, um, but yeah, during that time. So here's how my life's been working. Synchronicities because, like I just like, started my program, I came across like you know, robert, because now the financial, I need to understand the financial, like financial literacy part to it, right and so. But he mentioned a lot of people. What they do is they buy a home, they buy a car and they call those assets right. Because you're like, hey, this house is worth $500,000 or it's worth six hundred thousand. I only pay, you know, I only owe two hundred on it, so this is worth four hundred thousand, but it's not making any money, but it's taking money, so it's not an asset.
Speaker 2:An asset is an income profit asset. It has to be generating cash. So, instead of buying a, buying a home, like if I really, if I'm making that decision again I'm buying a or not buying, I'm renting. I'm buying a home, renting that out for more in order to cover my current rent or my current mortgage. I don't want to pay a mortgage or rent, okay, I don't want to pay that. I want to have an asset. Pay that for me, all right. So this is new information that I'm just receiving. I'm still trying to put it all together, so I don't want to get ahead of myself, but like that's kind of the idea and I don't you know, I'm not sure if I'm finding the right words to kind of, you know, make sure that.
Speaker 1:I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying you want to use your. So buying a home is cool. I justify it now because I work from home, right? So, like you know, it's not I'm not bringing any money from the home, but I'm making money from my home, right? So I kind of justify it that way. But no, if I'm going to, if I do this again, it would be renting this out right To the point where it pays for my next one, or I buy another one, flip that and like, but I don't want to be paying to the bank a mortgage, or you know my credit card, you know cards on my bills. So yeah, that's kind of.
Speaker 1:That's kind of the concept. I get what you're saying, man, because when you buy a home, it's, it's a huge responsibility. You don't just cover the mortgage, but you're covering the roof repair, you're covering the electric service, you're taking care of the plumbing, the flooring, everything all those different issues that come with owning a home. So that's what makes it so. It actually makes most people's life a lot more complicated. But you know, regarding have your assets pay for, you know, cover your bills, that's a beautiful goal. It's a goal that I'm chasing. I'm pretty confident I'll get there. But you and I both know that most people you even mentioned your boys most people, they're not going to be in that mindset ever and they're not going to have the ability to buy a home, you know ever. You know so it's it's kind of um for for entrepreneurs and big thinkers, this is like. This is a great path for people like us, but I'll say for the average American, it's going to be I don't know. They're in survival mode every day, every month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And that, and that brings up this book called you Squared. Can you see that?
Speaker 1:I bought that book too, man. I bought it years ago, like almost 10 years ago. I can't believe you brought that book out.
Speaker 2:So I bought this yesterday 35 pages, man, and it's, it's, it's fire. But it talks about Daron doing going against the grain. You have to go against the grain. You can't do the same things you did before because they don't, they didn't provide results. You have to go completely outside the box, 180 degree.
Speaker 2:So the first example I don't know if you remember, but he starts off with a story and this just kind of explains it A fly is buzzing, trying to get through the window pane. Right, his, his, his, his wings are fluttering. He's going to kill himself trying to get out the window pane. If he flew 10 feet, the door is wide open, right. So this book is about not working harder, because you're literally killing yourself, but working smarter and having a different view of things. And so that's what it takes to be like an entrepreneur, especially in today's age, because we have digital, we have the internet. That's crazy, daron. You have a fucking podcast, this podcast, you can turn this thing into a fucking hundreds of millions of dollars. People sell their podcasts for hundreds of millions of dollars. Right, I got a YouTube channel that I'm building. It's a faceless channel. I'm just building some digital real estate. It's a business. So it's not even about the content really. It's about how you produce it and the consistency, right.
Speaker 2:And then because YouTube's growing, growing, growing. It's not going to fucking stop anytime soon. So the more you show up, the more views you'll get, and so that's kind of the concept with business. But you have to think differently in order to live that entrepreneur life. We all see and everyone kind of thinks they get into it for right, that Rolls Royce, that penthouse in Miami, florida, that skyscraper in New York, right. And so in order to get there, you have to go. That's why it's 2% right that make it, because you have to completely disregard all of your fucking programs that you thought were fact. You have to go against all of that shit and surrender and surrender and trust that it'll work out.
Speaker 1:But uh, yeah, it's a journey okay, I want to know, because you, you're, you're evolving, you're in the evolution uh process right now, stage in your life how has your wife adapted to the changes that you've been making?
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you so much for asking that, bro. Thank you so much for asking, because that's fucking important, man, it really is. Because there was a time where it was flipped and she would have to feed me crumbs on the other side when it came to vaccines, and like we went vegan for a while there because we we understood about the meat industry how it was like you know, again, a game in the milk industry. But we're back on to like eating meat, just not in large consumption, right, like you know, we don't do any fast food or anything like she had to, because I was fast food, I was Taco Bell, I was burgers every day, I was beer like, so she had to feed me this little bit and so it woke me up little by little, and so now I'm in this.
Speaker 2:I've been in the same boat, brother. She's been focused on the babies. Breastfeeding is a big thing for her Right Is getting that that liquid gold into that baby as much as she possibly can, at least for the first year. And my wife's not big and we got, you know, big babies, but, um, and she actually had, you know, breast implants when we first met she had those removed, bro, like after our first kid and so, like you know, that changes the breastfeeding game and um, so she's had to make some mental efforts and it takes a lot of energy so I've let her, I've kept my kind of journey kind of to myself, I've introduced her to abraham hicks and these different like podcasts and different shows.
Speaker 1:Yes she's.
Speaker 2:She introduced me to the secret, so she put me on the flat earth, she put me on to like all these things right, little by little. And so I'm doing the same for her. And now that I'm on this side, I've been, I've been confident because I've used, I used to let her worry kind of bring me down and like, oh man, maybe she's right, maybe I'm not being responsible, maybe I am tripping, but there's been so much proof now that I'm like, nope, there's you, you have fear, that's not real. Give it some time to go away and then you'll come to. And so now she's like on the other side. She's like Kathleen Cameron is a huge YouTube person we follow.
Speaker 2:She's like, you know, she did the Bob Proctor course, right? So she's like one of his um, uh. And Bob Proctor is a Napoleon Hill thinking girl, rich guy, right, he, he's the one that put me onto that book and so, so, so, yeah, she's. So now she's waking up a little bit slower, but she's, she's, she's, you know she's, she's behind me. So I have to be careful about the information I share with her, cause I just know she won't receive it, you know all the way, but I do have to drop nuggets because it'll wake her up. Seeds you got to plant seeds, daron right, because those grow into.
Speaker 1:That's the reason I bring it up is because I've changed. When I started reading at the age of 25, that's when I really started reading. I started reading because I played for the University of Utah. I don't know if you know that After I left DeAnza and I tried to, obviously during our pro day, I tried to make it to the league and there was a book my friend gave me called the Ultimate Athlete.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I was like I told myself, I was like, look, if it's a book, if it's going to help me become a better athlete and help me prepare for the NFL, I this is going to help me become a better athlete and help me prepare for the nfl, I'm going to read it. So I read the book. It was a good book, it helped and, um, I was like, damn, I wonder if there's other books like this that help you on like masculinity, and so this is before. Youtube was even blowing up with all this. So I was like I wonder if there's books like that out there. So then, ever since I started reading and I kept, this is before. I didn't even know audio books was a thing at this time. So I was actually reading the book. So I kept rereading the book and I wasn't aware.
Speaker 2:That's good dude. Reading is essential. That's awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:I wasn't aware that because I was reading these books over a number of years, my mind was changing, my thinking was changing, the way I speak and the way I carry myself started to change. And then everything my money got better, my mental health got better, my relationships got better. But I do remember during that transitional phase, I tried to bring people along with me and it wasn't anything bad on their part. It was on my part because I liked understanding. I thought that, hey man, you guys, I'm coming up, I'm doing something, I'm trying to make you a part of it. You guys are stupid for not trying to be a part of it. I didn't say this, but this is what I'm thinking in my head You're doing the same stupid shit. But really it was me, because I was evolving, I was elevating and I was trying to tell people that basically it wasn't okay for them to be who they were, because everybody has a different journey and they go at a different pace and I had to.
Speaker 1:I had to accept that and understand that there was gonna be some people that I wasn't, that wasn't meant to be around in my life for forever, you know some people like for seasons that's the same friends for a reason, friends for seasons, and um.
Speaker 2:Another thing to that, duron, is uh, you get angry, like you said, like dude, how can you not see this? And that takes some, some, some growth internally to understand. Like I can't get sick to help sick people, right, I have to. That's, that's how Jesus Christ was the healer, right, he kept his vibration high. He walked into a hospital full of sick people. He knew that they were well, they just weren't well, rested, right, or he knew that they weren't sick internally.
Speaker 2:God doesn't make sick. It was a mental, it was like some misalignment, and so he kept his energy and just seen them. As you know well-being, you know people, and so that's the kind of energy you have to keep and those that are attracted or that are on the same frequency are going to come along, and those that are not may come along eventually down the road, but, like you said, have their own journey. So you know you can't save everyone and not everyone's going to agree. But again, and that's that's kind of been my hold up, bro was speaking my truth is like judgment, like what is my, what are my friends and family going to think Right, when they, you know, hear some of the truths that I have that go completely against all the shit that I was raised upon.
Speaker 1:I'm just different and I have to accept it. You got to be your own person, man. You can't be sick to make other people happy. You feel me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Exactly. I saw a video on LinkedIn. It looked like you were on another person's podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, that was a podcast.
Speaker 1:It was like a testimonial, but yeah it's a podcast.
Speaker 2:It technically is a podcast, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, and how was that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was cool. That was my first one actually. Yeah, and again, that one was a little different because he was actually a digital marketer, donnie Gupton. I worked with him. He helped like start doing content on LinkedIn right, kind of kind of like a crash course on marketing, showed me some systems and processes, so introduced me that way actually helped save my company when tech started, like having their layoffs right, because all my clients stopped hiring and I was like, how am I going to eat?
Speaker 2:and I came across this program and I freaking joined them and that dude helped save my company. So so yeah, but it was his podcast and it was kind of like you know, sharing my experience through his podcast. But we did touch on some things as well, like mental mindset, man and entrepreneurship and how it relates to football and the crime. But that was an awesome experience and and yeah, then you know you ping me as well. So, and yours, yours is, yours is pretty legit around. Major props to you. He says podcast is a full-time job and he does it kind of when he can.
Speaker 1:It's a business man, you have to be committed to it. You have to be committed to it. You got a good system in place.
Speaker 2:Man and I got another buddy. He wants to connect. He's just getting started. He's in Seattle. I played with him at Washington state and but yeah. So I'm like you know, and I got a vision board here, bro, and I got me on the podcast on here on the bottom Right, right.
Speaker 1:So like this shit, this shit is real.
Speaker 2:You know I got here. I got a book signing over here in the corner. I got, you know, my book over here Financial Freedom. I like that yeah man, so this is awesome to be on this podcast.
Speaker 1:I have stuff like that as well. Man, I want to talk because we're almost at the end of the show. I want to know a little bit more about the LinkedIn marketing that you've been doing. That's how we got reacquainted. You know what I'm saying. I saw your LinkedIn. It was popping. I saw videos of you all the time. Tell me about that journey.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm still on that journey. Man, I'm still on that journey. It was really intimidating for me to get in front of the camera and make this content about tech. Bro, I'm not an engineer, I don't have an engineering background. It was really intimidating for me, but I got major support major, you know, support from everyone, like you and you know just others that see me out there trying to evolve, man and like do something new, because it's going to take something new to break out of that old, you know pattern. So I went all in on it and but again, it's a job itself and I haven't been consistent with it enough, daron. So I'm just now like restarting with a marketing company which is through Donnie, it's it's, it's he's 50 50 with another partner or marketing, and so I got to get more consistent on it.
Speaker 2:But I work in tech. All my guys are online email, linkedin so I live, you know they live on this thing. So, man, I put some systems in place. I was telling my wife today I got like five fucking leads today and, like just a few months ago, I'm building systems, not getting any leads for months because I'm building systems, but like now, it's paying off, man, and so it's just real, it's a real good time for me and but yeah, man, that's kind of that's kind of where LinkedIn marketing came in.
Speaker 2:Man, that's that's kind of that's kind of where linkedin marketing came in. Man, that's that's my bread and butter, right, like I pay linkedin 30 000 a year to have an account and some other premium recruiting tools and, bro, I mean it, it's been paying for itself for since I've, since I've started using it. My old boss used to come to me every year because linkedin kept on charging higher and higher. He's like, do we need linkedin? And and I pull out my fucking hire sheet and I'm like 90% of our hires are from LinkedIn. Linkedin pay for that. One hire pays for it and we're getting 20 to 30 off of there. So, yeah, it's vital for me working in tech 1,000.
Speaker 1:All right, so this is the last question I like to have my guests give my listeners some kind of advice. If you had a philosophy for life, what would it be?
Speaker 2:That's a good question, and this is just a phrase or something that I would probably write on my tombstone, or something like that right Philosophy for life, right, is that what you're? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, right now, with my, with my new, with my new perspective, I say it's better to give than to receive, which sounds cliche, but that's where it starts, right, it's. It's about helping others first and knowing that, like, that energy that you get is going to come back tenfold Right, if it comes from a place of, like, true service. So I'd say that that's a good freaking question. But before that I'd say you know, get rich or die. Trying, I'd quote 50 Cent or something. You know what I mean. Like, this is two different really. You know levels of philosophy, but that's what I would say now, starting today it's better to give than to receive, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 1:Chance. Thank you for coming on the show, man. It's great reconnecting. I love what you're doing on social media, man. I love the hustle. I like to see people that I know that are from my hometown doing something positive you know what I'm saying and being a role model to people who look like us. So thank you for doing what you do, being who you are. We didn't even talk about athletics. This man was a stud athlete. Check out his highlights.
Speaker 2:We got to run it back. That just means we got to run it back.
Speaker 1:Most definitely, man. Thank you for coming on the show and I'll catch you next time, man.
Speaker 2:Hey all good brother coming on the show and I'll catch you next time. Hey all good brother, thanks for having me, peace.
